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Thursday, August 18th 2005, 10:56pm

Connaissez-vous le Timor oriental ?

Bonjour,
J'ai l'intention de me rendre au Timor oriental fin octobre 2005 et, peut-être, de là, remonter vers le nord de l'Indonésie.
Pas très facile de trouver des infos voyage sur ce (nouveau) pays. Si vous y avez séjourné, je serais intéressée par votre expérience pour des infos pratiques (accès, transports, prix des hôtels) mais aussi sur les relations avec les gens et le climat social.
D'avance merci
aléa

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wcf.user.option.userOption43: pas grand chose

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Saturday, August 20th 2005, 12:55am

A confirmer mais depuis l independance, tout se paie en USD donc assez
cher. De + comme les ONG sont sur place, donc tarifs eleves, rien a voir avec l Indo. Pas trop d interet, il y a tellement de choses a voir en Indo
avant d aller la bas.

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wcf.user.option.userOption43: thailande malaisie indonésie lao cambodge birmanie macao hong-kong chine népal inde

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Friday, September 2nd 2005, 6:08am

RE: Connaissez-vous le Timor oriental ?

en asie depuis debut avril , nous souhaitons nous rendre au timor est a la mi octobre.
nous avons pose des questions sur le site du gouvernement francais - affaires etrangeres / diplomatie - relatives a la securite , a la situation sociale et sanitaire , pour l instant sans reponse....

il existe un site cree par le gouvernement du timor lui meme tu le trouveras en tapant les mots cles suivant sur un moteur de recherche - timor leste.

nous y avons pose aussi des questions sans reponse egalement , nous ne savons que ce qu il y a d ecrit sur le lonely planet , a savoir que l on doit payer en dollar et qu en dehors de dili les hebergements sont tres chers.

n hesite pas a nous contacter - descib@hotmail.com

bonne journee

manue + laurent

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Friday, September 2nd 2005, 10:49am

Sur le Forum Lonely anglais en 2004. Comme c'est trop long, je te l'envoie en 3 morceaux.



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middlemef
Posted: 16 Jul,
4:51am
East Timor Information

I think TT is in need of some useful East Timor info, seeing as there aint much info available anywhere else as it's been dropped from the latest Indo LP, and the stuff in the SEA LP is extremely light. So here are my experiences and info from a trip I made there recently, if anyone wants to add stuff or correct anything of mine, or ask questions, feel free.
General:
Since the indonesians were kicked out, things have calmed down in ET. The only safety issues these days, other than the usuals in any country, are concerned with the border areas with West Timor. Indonesian malitia groups hang around these parts, and have in the past and no doubt will again in the future, cause some trouble, so personally id steer well clear.
The UN presence is being reduced, and all are expected to have left by the end of 2005. Obviously there are many huge benefits of having the UN around, but a few problems are caused too. The most obvious one is the economy due to the huge wages that UN workers recieve. As a result, ET can be expensive for a white face, particularly with the attitude of a lot of Timorese of trying to hit the jackpot once, rather than looking at the big picture of being fair and trying to attract more tourists to their area in the future. Everything will all equal itself out after the UN have left eventually, but i think its up to us backpackers to bring the prices down to a fair level sooner rather than later.
Attitude to money aside, the Timorese are generally nice friendly people, and the tosser population is sparse, which, if you've travelled accross Nusa Tenggara to get here, is utter bliss. A show of the palm of the hand is a sign of friendship for the Timorese, so a smile and a wave is generally the way. Some places are less friendly than others, but in my experience never hostile, although i've heard the opposite from a couple women travelling by themselves.
The official currency of ET is US$. Theres a few new ET coins equal to cents, but nothing more. The local language is Tetun, but everybody speaks at least some Indonesian. English is rare.
Getting There & Away:
There are three ways in and out of ET - flights to/from Denpasar (Merpati, $180 one way) and Darwin (Air North, AUS$350 one way), and overland at Atambua. The two flights, due to zero competition, are hugely expensive, apparently the Air North flight is the most expensive per km in the world.
A cheaper flight option from Denpasar would be to fly into Kupang instead (Merpati & Star Air, 450,000Rp/$50), and then go overland to Dili. Probably cheaper this way from Darwin too, but not sure of the cost. The road connecting Kupang to Dili is reasonably flat and straight, and is made even easier by the the option of executive buses. Timor Travel and Leste Oeste run aircon buses daily (150,000/$18, 12hrs), where you get your seat all to yourself, and a bit of free food. From Kupang, you can book a ticket over the phone, in Dili you'll have to go the the company office to buy a ticket. These buses can get busy, particularly at weekends so book as early as possible.
Its possible on local transport in a day too - Kupang to Atambua by bus (7hrs), then taxi or bus to the border (1hr ish), then bus from the border to Dili (3hrs). The last bus leaves for Dili at 5pm when the border closes. Hotel Salunga is just about the cheapest place you'll find in Kupang (65,000Rp).
It would be a good idea to leave Indonesia a day or two before your visa expires, the border officials appear to make a habit of charging for "overstaying" for those who leave on the day of expiry.
ET Visa:
Until 01 Feb 2004 the ET visa was free. It then cost $25, and as from 01 June 2004 the cost is $30. It would be a good idea to carry some extra $$ across the border incase of further increase.
Extensions are possible ($30 per 30 days) but you require a sponsor in ET, so maybe it would be easier to go to the border, get stamped out, walk round the building and get stamped back in. Also, i've heard that from now all visa extensions require an aids test (which you will be paying for). Maybe another reason to head to the border.
I've also heard that from now on, if you stay longer than 6 months on a tourist visa you will be assumed to have been earning and will be charged income tax. I doubt this would be avoidable by leaving and re-entering.
Indonesian Visa Run:
Visas of more than 30 days ARE available at the embassy in Dili. If you apply for more than 30 days, its not guaranteed, but your chances are good so dress up smart and wear a smile. What is also available is that you can apply for any type of visa you want, i.e. extendable visas (social, family visit etc), so should you only recieve 30 days, extensions would be available. It has been known of people asking for and receiving 90 day visas. So dont ask questions, just fill out the form for how ever many days and visa type and hand it back and see what you get.
Your visa will cost you $35 (any type & duration) and will take 5 working days i.e 7 days including the weekend, to process. Apply between 9am - 12pm, and pick up between 3 - 4pm. No onward ticket required.
Atambua is not a "visa on arrival" entry point for Indonesia, Denpasar is a VOA but I have been told that flights from Dili are required to have a visa in advance, but then I heard the opposite so maybe someone can clear this up?
Getting Around:
The best way to see ET is on two wheels. Irregular public transport and very bad roads make it difficult to get to some places for those without a bike. Buses between the main towns are regular though and the roads generally arent too rough, and will cost you about $2.
There are plenty of taxis and bemos in Dili, $1 and 10c for a ride around town are fair prices respectively. The taxi drivers though are useless. Theres about a 20% chance he'll actually know where it is you want to go, but a 100% chance that he'll say he knows, so it helps if you know your way around town.
A good option to get around may be hitching a lift with a UN guy. I heard that its their duty to stop and help if they see a western looking person in need of aid.
Also, should you hit anything on your travels around ET, its best not to stop. You will be expected to pay for what you kill, at extortionate rates ($20 for a chicken!) and you dont even get to keep your road kill for dinner.
Dili:
Dili is a good base to explore ET, and with plenty to do, is an enjoyable destination in itself. Theres beaches with snorkelling on offer, good diving, you can visit the one and only Jesus Christ, you can learn about the indonesian regime and other aspects of ET's history at the Xanana Reading Rooms (you dont have to read - theres videos too!), or just generally absorb the eerie post war atmosphere of Dili.
Dili, in my experience, is as safe as any city. Theres obviously petty crime, but with rich UN guys flashing rolexes and expensive camera equipment, its inevitable. The main issue seems to be car crime, leave anything on show with no one around and it will go, guaranteed.
Budget accommodation is sparse in Dili. The best place to stay is 231 Backpackers (East Timor Backpackers in LP) run by an Aussie expat, Henry. For $8 per bed you get a hot shower, aircon, living room with tv and vcd player, stereo, good kitchen with a big fridge, and a washing machine. Basically its like living in in a student house except you get your washing up done for you! Bikes are available from here too, Henry has two 250cc dirt bikes ($15 per day), one 200cc ex post bike ($15 per day), and a few 110cc ex post bikes ($10 per day). He gives decent discounts if you rent for a few days. To find it (the taxi guy wont know) just ask for Matadoro and keep your eyes peeled for the big painted sign on the wall.
Another place worth checking out is the Timor Sands Motel ($10 per room). Apparently has good rooms with cooking facilities. Good luck finding it.
Due to the presence of the UN, you can eat very well in Dili. Not only are there loads of restaurants, but between the Lita, Leader and Singaporean supermarkets, theres not much you cant get hold of. Its pricy but there are some good deals to be had. Good places to eat include Food Start Cafe ($3.50 all you can eat), Metro Cafe ($4.00 all you can eat), but the best pace in town for me is Villa Verde ($4.00 - ask for the special, to find it turn left out of 231 and walk for 5 mins). Also, Lucky Cake House is an excellent bakery. There are plenty of decent local restaurants around too on the cheap.
Dili has ATM's at the ANZ banks, and plenty of internet, though the cheapest you'll find is $1 per 15 mins.
Diving:
The best diving in ET is off Atauro Island, but its gonna cost you $100 per day - 2 dives, minimum four people. Diving off the mainland is however very good also. Thery're all shore dives, of which i did three around Dili. Bob's Rock is an excellent spot and highly recommended, K41 and Dili Rock are ok but not as good.
Diving can be organised only in Dili or Com. In Dili there are two operators - Dive Timor Lorosae and The Free Flow. The cheapest is DTL - $25 daily kit rental, $10 daily DM and $10 per tank, i.e. $65 for three dives on the same day which is excellent value. TFL charge $40 per dive every dive.

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Friday, September 2nd 2005, 10:52am

DTL are the only dive operation based at Com (at Com Beach Resort), which costs a bit more - $35 daily kit rental, $10 daily DM and $12.50 per tank.
Bacau:
Its a very nice drive along the coast to Bacau, and makes this town worth a visit just for the trip. The road is generally good but bad bits pop up out of nowhere so pay attention. For me though Bacau didnt really appeal and the people didnt seem particularly friendly, but it appeals to some and apparently theres a decent beach nearby.
Com:
This is a popular retreat for UN workers. Couple of decent beaches, ok snorkelling, but other than that its a bit dull. Although the town set back from the road is nice, and the locals are friendly. Com is 2hrs past Bacau, on a flatter and straighter road than that to Bacau and in good condition. If you want expensive, the Com Beach Resort will cater for your needs (Sun-Thur $18.50/$22 s/d, Fri & Sat $20/$24 s/d). This includes hot water, aircon and a very good but very expensive restaurant.
Theres a couple of homestays around too (electricity = no, running water = yes), carry on 500m past the CBR and there's two in a row on the right. The first one is the best, but the owner (Rosa) tried it on when we left saying that the room was $7 per person which is a joke, so make sure you understand each other. The second one is a dive for $10 per room. Also, Rosa puts on a meal which for she expects $4 per person, which is way overpriced - $2 tops. Theres a shop on your right too where you can buy noodles etc.
Tutuala:
To get here take the (signposted) right turn 30 mins before Com, then left at the next (signposted) junction. From here the road is a bit of a bone shaker but passes through some lovely lush green countryside. After about an hour you come to Tutuala, carry on straight through and up the hill to the only digs in town - the Pousada Tutuala ($5 per person, electricity = tempremental, running water = no), an attractive old colonial building with great views down to the coast. There is a petrol stove in the kitchen, and a shop on your right before you go up the hill.
A few archeologists who were staying there when i visited paid a couple of ladies from the town to do the cooking in the evening which is a good option. If you want a bath you'll have to go village style to the stream, or make a few trips to fill the mandi.
Around Tutuala there is Valu beach and Jaco Island, but also some old cave paintings (Iliquere-quere) for those who are into that kind of thing. The road to Valu, Jaco, the paintings and the stream is the surfaced right turn before the Pousada. If you want a guide to take you to the paintings then ask around town for Felis - friendly guy, good english, knows his stuff.
Valu Beach & Jaco Island:
Valu is a decent beach. Opposite is Jaco which I didnt get to as by the time the guys who run the boat turned up we were ready to leave, so a good idea to ask around town and let them know if you want transport. $5 return I think. The 8km road down to the beach is ok for a while, but the last 3km is awful, but doable, just. The snorkelling between Valu and Jaco is good, plenty of fish and good variety.
Los Palos:
This is the main town in this part of ET, and a good place to stock up on essentials. Didnt appeal to me, bit of a strange place to be honest, full of particularly strange people. Apparently, the majority of the residents at the mental hostpital in Dili were former residents of LP. If you do stay, the best place in town is the AVR ($10 per room) - clean with a good restaurant.
To get to LP turn right at the junction instead of left for Tutuala. Turn right at the main roundabout for the AVR.
Maubisse:
You get some great views up the road into the mountains to Maubisse (2.5hrs). The road is windey and some parts in bad condition, and the route is plyed with dickhead drivers so be careful. Nice area and good hiking potential around the town.
The Pousada Maubisse will cost you a whopping $50 per room plus tax if you go at the weekend, and Sun-Thur for $15 plus tax. Decent place to stay though, but expensive restaurant. Theres a cheap local restaurant opposite the bus station, and I also heard that you can stay behind the church with the nuns for $10.
Hatabuilico:
This place is the starting point for a climb up Mt. Ramelau (2963m), ET's highest peak. To get here, go past Maubisse for 10km, then take a right from which its 20km. Not too much fun in a car I'd imagine, but ace fun on a dirt bike. Friendly place, and again excellent hiking potential, set in a lovely area with Ramelau towering in the background.
Theres an old and new Pousada in town, the new one is nice (electricity = no, running water = yes) and will cost you $10 per room. No cooking facilities but the lady who runs it will offer you a meal. Bring some extra blankets too, this place is freezing.
Mt. Ramelau:
Firstly, a good idea to check in with the cops before making the climb. The trail up Ramelau begins at the right turn before the police station, from there its driveable for a couple of k's, but then a collapsed culvert blocks the way. If this trail continued up the mountain, it would be a nice easy walk to the top, but a landslide towards the top has taken out the path. Far too dangerous to try to cross or go around the landslide in my opinion - too steep and dry. A few hundred metres before the landslide, theres a slightly worn trail on your right, from here its a tough scramble to the top, but the views you get on the way and at the top are awesome. Takes 2-3hrs depending on fitness.
Baguia:
This town sits infront of a beautiful mountainous area. Hiking potential is excellent, and also located here is Mt Metabian (2373m) - ET's 2nd highest peak. A guide seems like a good idea for climbing Metabian - plenty of shear drops to fall down, and a tricky trail to follow apparently.
Theres a couple of Aussie residents in town (Bob and Anne) who help out doing volunteer work in the community - look them up, they're good company and can also help you out with somewhere to stay, and a guide. They got me a room with a family for $10 (electricity = evening, running water = yes), and found a guide by the name of Lucio - nice guy, good english, knowledgable, recommended. We paid him $10 for the day, might cost more if you want to climb Metabian, as it would be a tough day and may involve spending the night in a village in the area.
To get here, take the turn inland opposite the church in Laga (past Bacau). Its a rough road for 2hrs, but through some nice countryside and some of the most traditional areas I saw in ET, friendly too.
For those who are looking to get right off the tourist trail (not that ET has one), they hadnt seen any visitors in Baguia before me and my girlfriend for a year.
Other Stuff:
Theres a place (quite expensive) to stay on Aturao Island which would be a nice trip. Also a trip along the south coast would be a good. Bridges were destroyed by the indonesians so it would be tough going, but perfect if you like a bit of adventure on a dirt bike. There are places to stay at Viqueque and Suai which would be good places to base yourself.
Hope this helps anyone who wants help.


kiteflyer88
Posted: 16 Jul,
6:52am
1.

Wow! This is the best post I have seen on the Thorn Tree, ever. Middlemef, you've done a wonderful job....Thanks....JP Harrison

RedApe
Posted: 16 Jul,
7:38pm
2.

One suggestion....clarify that the prices are in US$ rather than AUS$ (

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Friday, September 2nd 2005, 10:53am

2.

One suggestion....clarify that the prices are in US$ rather than AUS$ (except for the flight from Darwin). They are, aren't they?

Mauricio
Posted: 16 Jul,
8:06pm
3.

Good post. Just a few comments:
* Though Tetun is the most widely spoken local (and national) language, there are many others, and there are regions (Lautem, for example) where Tetun will get you nowhere. Indonesian seems to afford the best geographic coverage.
* UN staff are not allowed to pick up non-UN personnel. They may stop to help out, call for help via radio, but due to insurance and liability considerations, they are not allowed to "give lifts". Ergo, do not expect to get rides on UN vehicles.

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"el golpe avisa."

middlemef
Posted: 16 Jul,
11:24pm
4.

Kite: Appreciated thanks
Red Ape: Yes all costs are US$, apart from that one AUS$.


goby
Posted: 19 Jul,
1:24am
5.

Also just note that East Timor is one hour ahead of West Timor. This becomes SUPREMELY IMPORTANT when you arrive at the border in the late afternoon!!!! You can also cross the border at Oesilo (Oecussi enclave), the troops there are very bored and thrilled to chat with visitors. There's a ferry that runs two times a week (depending on weather) from Pante Makassar to Dili, I think it costs US$13 and takes about 5 hours. World Bank headquarters used to offer free 30 min. internet sessions, don't know if this still happens?

newdell
Posted: 22 Jul,
7:51pm
6.

We don't have onward tickets from Indonesia, since we planned to buy them when we got there. Has anyone had any problems getting an Indonesian Visa in ET without an onward ticket out of Indo?

sb1
Posted: 23 Jul,
6:46pm
7.

Re the hotels and restaurants refered to in Dili in post #1, can somebody post the streets that they are on.
Thanks

middlemef
Posted: 24 Jul,
1:04am
8.

Newdell - no onward ticket is asked for from the dili embassy
sb1 - Backpackers 231 and villa verde are on Estrada de Balide, cant remember the others

newdell
Posted: 24 Jul,
10:08pm
9.

Excellent information, much appreciated. Will be arriving in Dili on Wednesday, 28 July if anyone is interested in meeting up.

scoffer
Posted: 30 Jul,
9:39pm
10.

Great Post,
I've been looking for detailed information on E Timor on TT for over 8 months, it's very hard to find !.
Your information is greatly appreicated and I hope will encourage other posters to put pen to paper and
supply what they know about the place.
Also, if anyone out there has some informative Web Sites with relevant info, please post them, as unfortunatly most of the ones I've looked at are a bit dated.
Regards
Kev
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The shock absorbers used on a bus are called tourists

sb1
Posted: 05 Aug,
5:32pm
11.

A few notes from our trip through East Timor.
Cafe Timor in Dili is $15/night for basic double room (a/c) with en-suite (within 20m of the Food Start Cafe).
Hotel Villa Verde nice double rooms (quiet a/c, fridge, tv, hot water) start $25/night - The daily "$4 special" at the restaurant is very good.
Buses in and out of Dili are OK. Trying to get to/from Com on local buses/bemos is very time consuming. The $22/$24 doubles at Com Beach Resort at very small, no ensuite and bunk beds. Very expensive for what you get.
A good website is Discover Dili, which ties in with a monthy booklet on Dili (saw booklet on sale the last day of our trip). You can get the bookelet from the Lita Supermarket which is on the waterfront NE of the City Center.
p.s. A big thanks to middlemef as the info provided above was extremely useful.

fjmcguire
Posted: 07 Aug,
8:49am
12.

Thanks for all the great information on East Timor. I am going to be in East Timor between August 23 and September 2.
I would like to SCUBA dive while I am in Timor. I intend to bring my own equipment. Can you tell me what the approximate water temperature will be in August? Are wet suits necessary? If so, what thickness of suit do you recommend?
Also you mention two dive operations Dive Timor Lorosae and The Free Flow. On the Internet, I have also seen 3-D Dive. Did you find any evidence of them when you were in Dili?
Thanks,
Frank

rajulkabir
Posted: 15 Aug,
9:01am
13.

You can arrive at DPS from Dili without a visa.

Mauricio
Posted: 15 Aug,
9:58pm
14.

Does that not depend on the country that issues your passport? Say I'm Israeli, does that mean that I can just show up in Indoenesia, and they'll let me in?
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"el golpe avisa."

MisterSteve
Posted: 17 Aug,
12:27pm
15.

Battles between gangs reported today (Tuesday, August 17, 2004). It looks dangerous ! See Yahoo Asia news.

YEM76
Posted: 19 Aug,
12:52am
16.

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Does that not depend on the country that issues your passport? Say I'm Israeli, does that mean that I can just show up in Indoenesia, and they'll let me in?
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Israelis are allowed to travel into Indonesia. They have to apply for a visa at the nearest embassy since Israel is neither part of the free visa program or visa-on-arrival program.
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President of the Duckman Fan Club
Alumni of the Mystical University of Bandung.

tokyoricky
Posted: 31 Aug,
2:21am
17.

I would like to fly from Dili, East Timor to Darwin, Australia this September! Does anyone know what the airfare is and what airlines fly this route? Is there a website where I can book a flight to Darwin? Thanks for your help, Ricky.
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"Nothing is right or wrong but thinking makes it so."

tokyoricky
Posted: 31 Aug,
2:31am
18.

Are there ATM Machines in East Timor that accept International Debit Cards with the CIRRUS, MAESTRO, or PLUS logos?
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"Nothing is right or wrong but thinking makes it so."

scoffer
Posted: 31 Aug,
7:15am